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[M2] Rule Suggestion. - Support Daniel
I know that I'll more than likely get alot of comments saying we don't need anymore rules but I think this needs to be added honestly. It goes something like this.
Please do not talk about religion or religious activities in chat
There it is, plain and simple, if somebody would like to edit it fine then, I realize this may get shot down very quickly but here is my reasoning.
In the years that I've played, I have noticed that every single time a religion is brought up in chat it always seems to cause problems. I personally don't have a problem with any religion, but I don't like to see it causing problems that's for damn sure.
*shrugs* I'm keeping it short and sweet, if this gets shot down in the discussion period there's no need to bring it into a vote.
- Admin PugG - 16 Jan 2007
No.
What I really want is a rule stating:
Don't be stupid
That would be much better. Maybe we would not even have people warned over saying "jesus christ" if this rule was passed.
- Cop GhostRyder - 16 Jan 2007
lol "Don't be stupid" could just summarize all of the rules if people would just realize what "stupid" is.
- Mod Soulace - 16 Jan 2007
I agree Dan. I was actually in the process of making an exact same topic. There always seems to be some confusion as to where the line is drawn on religious slurs, etc. Because of that, people tend to say some religious things that others might be offended by, and also some people warn for "religious talk" that isn't truly against the rules. Overall, at least some sort of a clear line/definition is needed IMO to keep further confusion and drama out.
- Mod Soulace - 16 Jan 2007
we should just define stupid in our own terms, and anyone that fits is muted and/or banned
- Support Daniel - 16 Jan 2007
New rule.
Lol. Anyways I didn't intend to turn this into a joke thread so. Continue with your thoughts.
Don't talk if you're stupid.
- Admin PugG - 16 Jan 2007
So we want "clear lines", we want nazi-m2 rules back or what is this?
The problem here is not the topic, the problem is the people. I'll even go as far as say that if you can leave PRIDE out of your religious beliefs, you won't be offended and this will cease to be a problem.
So let's ban pride instead eh?
Next up I want the word suck to be banned. I remember I got my first mute in m2 saying that :-).
- Cop GhostRyder - 16 Jan 2007
Well there is people playing from so many different countries here. There is such a wide span of religous beliefs i think it is best to just leave it out of chat. because a lot of people get offended very easily when it comes to religion
- Cop GhostRyder - 16 Jan 2007
something that might offend someone can be normal to someone else. you can't really punish anyone for standing up for there religion or what they believe in. agreed Religion banned from chat
- Admin PugG - 16 Jan 2007
GR, you do realize that if this comes to pass I'll find a religion that will ensure NOTHING is allowed to be said in chat, cause that would be against my religion.
This is another carte blance thing for people to get other people to STFU. Just like the uber sucky rule we had where you could just say STOP! and people would have to STFU forever, no matter what the topic, or they would be breaking rules.... luckily the wording of that particular rule has since been changed.
- Cop GhostRyder - 16 Jan 2007
wouldn't that be like a nun?
- Cop GhostRyder - 16 Jan 2007
wouldn't that be like a Monk? they dont' say nothing lol
- Support Daniel - 16 Jan 2007
Dex, No we don't want the nazi M2 rules back, I just want a little bit of an insight as to how we can solve these problems WITHOUT being nazis =). You're right though, the problem is the people, however we can't punish them for standing up for their religious beliefs. However, we can try to limit at least the religious talk so there won't be as many issues about it. Every time, and I mean EVERY time it has been brought into chat there have been issues with it. So many people have different religions and are open to only theirs, that is the problem.
"Jesus Christ" pfft... Jesus Christ this is completely idiotic. If somebody saying those two words can spark a religious argument... imagine what else could.
It's flat out rediculous, I can't stand to see shit like this happen. If they want to take it to messages then fine, but once it's brought into chat, it's crossing the line.
- Admin PugG - 16 Jan 2007
Well whatever would suit my purpose I would think something up that would ensure that whomever said anything would regret it, because he/she would be offending my religion.
See the problem now? :P
Unless you want to define religion of course, but that's a VERY long and boring discussion hehe
- Support Daniel - 16 Jan 2007
And Dex, if it is something like the original "Stop!" rule you are worried about happening, I'm sure there is a way we can re-word this one as well to keep it simple and still leave some slack.
- Mod Soulace - 16 Jan 2007
Possibly just instead of banning religious talk from chat, we just tell people to take it mssgs if they get offended by it? That would keep us from having drama in chat, and religious talk wouldn't have to be against the rules.
- Admin PugG - 16 Jan 2007
I follow a religion where women are not allowed to speak.
Now, do you agree people should respect my religion?
Or will I get muted or warned next time I say "Jesus Christ" in chat? Cause that would surely be totally lame.
- Admin Gorin - 16 Jan 2007
i agree with dex on this..if we start adding rules like this then we'll have to possibly add in one for Politics and so on..then the game will be so bogged down with rules that the game will be no fun and the HCM will be so busy warning people for little stuff that they'll stop caring about how well they are doing their jobs and imo shit will really hit the fan
Edited on 16 Jan 2007 22:36:55 by Admin Gorin
- Support Daniel - 16 Jan 2007
Dex, what I'm talking about is not something like somebody says something and it's offending somebody's religion. I'm talking about somebody can say something and if it offends somebody's religion, then it's too damn bad. As long as it is NOT inappropriate for chat and it's not breaking the rules, they can survive with their religion being offended for a small comment.
- Mod Relkim - 16 Jan 2007
Shit's done been hit the fan a LONG time ago Tommy...We need an industrial clean-up crew to clean the fan.
- Admin PugG - 16 Jan 2007
*agrees with gorin*
- Support Daniel - 16 Jan 2007
*agrees with me*
- Admin amakiller - 16 Jan 2007
I agree with Dex...no rule needed..
- Support Daniel - 16 Jan 2007
What I'm trying to say is who cares if it offends somebody's religion as long as it's not breaking the rules? Everybody is going to get offended by something every now and then but that doesn't make it inappropriate and it doesn't mean there should be hell raised about it and an argument break out.
- Support Daniel - 16 Jan 2007
I'll go along with no rule needed but at least find a way to keep arguments like this out of chat?
Ama you've been offended religiously by some things said in chat and you know it as well as I. But you didn't cause an argument about it, you dealt with it, that is what I want to see. Not people causing hell over comments, more or less somebody just sucking it up and letting it go.
- Mod Soulace - 16 Jan 2007
That is the only problem I have Dan. Possibly just define religious slurs better in the rules, and then we won't have people warning for "slurs" that aren't actually that. And anyone who gets "offended" by something that is not an actual religious slur would be told to stop causing trouble in chat maybe?
- Cop GhostRyder - 16 Jan 2007
idd Dan.
everyone has there own opinion toward Religion. we could just sit here and argue about it all night and get no where. I think people know the boundaries in Religion + breaking the rules. If not they should
- Mod David - 16 Jan 2007
eh.. i'm fine on banning arguments on religion.. but thats already covered in the following:
Bottom line, we want this to be a fun and comfortable place for ALL who come here, but if you are hellbent on breaking the rules or you cannot be civil and respect your peers, then we will not let you down...you will be "helped" via mute, jail, or misc. pwnage...
Basically as long as the discussion is civil, and respectful, there's no reason to prevent it from taking place.
and if its not, the person can receiving the appropriate pwnage. not because their discusing religion, but becuase they're a rude ass that deserves pwnage.
- Mod Soulace - 16 Jan 2007
David, agreed :P
- Admin PugG - 16 Jan 2007
david, idd.
- Support Daniel - 16 Jan 2007
In that case we could re-word the rule from
To something like
Language: you are not permitted to say f--k, or god and damn in succession...no use of racial/ ethnic/ religious slurs or sexuality degrating terms (faggot, gay, dyke etc) everything else is fair game provided it is not abused (excessive use), spammed in chat or directed @ someone.
(slurs consist of direct attacks or put downs of a religious/ethnic/racial group and NOT simple comments or sayings.) or sexuality degrating terms (faggot, gay, dyke etc) everything else is fair game provided it is not abused (excessive use), spammed in chat or directed @ someone.
Language: you are not permitted to say f--k, or god and damn in succession...no use of racial/ ethnic/ religious slurs
Edited on 16 Jan 2007 22:49:59 by Support Daniel
- Mod Soulace - 16 Jan 2007
Dan, true. That would be a better and more clear wording of the rule that would keep people from trying to say certain things are offensive to them.
- Mod Relkim - 16 Jan 2007
Or something like this:
Language: you are not permitted to say f--k, no use of racial/ ethnic/ religious slurs(slurs consist of direct attacks or put downs of a religious/ethnic/racial group, example: god and damn in succession) or sexuality degrating terms (faggot, gay, dyke etc) everything else is fair game provided it is not abused (excessive use), spammed in chat or directed at someone.
*shrugs*
Edited on 16 Jan 2007 22:52:12 by Mod Relkim
- Support Daniel - 16 Jan 2007
Relk, that would give people the wrong idea just like the Jesus Christ incident we had earlier.
- Admin PugG - 16 Jan 2007
Why does slurs need to be spelled out? Are we going to spell out / explain in detail every word in the rules just because some people don't understand what it means?
- Support Daniel - 16 Jan 2007
The fact is that not everybody understands the rules completely, I know we would like them to understand the simple terms, but not everybody is that educated :P. I'm simply trying to give them a little more of an understanding of what is acceptable and what is not.
- Mod Soulace - 16 Jan 2007
imo there is nothing wrong with "spelling out the rules", at times such as these, that way the rules are not left to interpretation as much to people who wish to bend them to their own personal views. Defining this rule can do nothing but good imo
- Admin PugG - 16 Jan 2007
I'm fine with the educating part. I'm not fine with HC members not being educated in the finer arts of rule understanding.
- Support Daniel - 16 Jan 2007
So is it safe to say that you agree or disagree with re-wording the rule? lmfao...
- Mod Soulace - 16 Jan 2007
Dex, idd. I agree all HCM should understand the rules. But since not everyone seems to, in and out of the HC, then it would more than likely be right to slightly reword the rule. I say put Dan's wording up to a vote, unless anyone has a better rewording than that?
- Support Daniel - 16 Jan 2007
*senses smartass re-wording on the way*
- Cop GhostRyder - 16 Jan 2007
i agree with the re-wording. i think that i a little more clear and hopefully will prevent this crap from happening again.
- Admin amakiller - 16 Jan 2007
I say we all form a cult and jump off a cliff :) no need to define the rules anymore than they are...if they cant understand em as they are written..they need to go play elsewhere..or get muted lol
- Support Daniel - 16 Jan 2007
I say die :P, which you probably would if you jumped off a cliff.. lol...
As I stated, not everybody is as understanding or educated enough to understand what is meant by the rules. What happened earlier is a fine example of that. I'm simply trying to enlighten them and give them a better knowledge of what is acceptable and what isn't.
- Admin PugG - 16 Jan 2007
wording as it is now in rules is fine, no need to change anything.
- Mod Soulace - 16 Jan 2007
How would rewording them, so that some less educated people can understand them, hurt anything? It doesn't actually change the rule, it just makes it clearer for some people. Isn't that what we want? People to come here and play the game without drama? Making this rule clearer would be just another step in that direction.
- Support Daniel - 16 Jan 2007
Well, either way I'll delete this topic and get that wording copied down so I can post it in a new suggestion thread so people don't just read the top post, then I'll see what is thought of it in 24 hours, if I don't have enough positive feedback then I won't even worry about bringing it up to a vote.
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